Yet Who Knows Whether You Have Come To The Kingdom For Such A Time As This?

By Stan Szymanski
This is a repost of an article originally posted on July 2, 2021 at the Encouraging Angels blog  and reprinted with permission on The Tenpenny Report.

Why Asking Your Pastor If He Is A Member Of The Clergy Response Team May Change History

I was once again watching Steve Quayle on his QFiles podcast ($10/month and totally worth it). Steve spoke of the cornucopia of current event topics and how it applies to the life of the believer with the most important thing being that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior in one’s life.

Steve opened the recent Friday, Oct. 6, 2023 broadcast with the statement: …’And for such a time as this’… referring to the statement from Mordecai to Queen Esther:

‘For if you remain completely silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place, but you and your father’s house will perish. Yet who knows whether you have come to the kingdom for such a time as this?”(Esther 4:14 NKJV).

Steve went on to basically say that every church member had the right to know if their pastor was a member of the Clergy Response Team. This is because of the potential for total catastrophe caused by membership in this group by the pastor for the church congregant.

Have you heard about the Clergy Response Teams? If not, please read on…


Since my wife and I run a disability ministry we have interfaced with a significant number of pastors and churches over the past 15 years. Five years or so ago when I first read Dave Hodges articles about the Clergy Response Team (CRT) it really made me wonder about how deep the problem is where I live and work. In his novel writings Mr. Hodges illuminates the fact for many of you, your pastor is not your friend. I will first use Dave’s work to outline what the CRT is, then speak about my personal experience of talking with pastors about the Clergy Response Team and finally the relevance of the story of Esther to the horrible condition that the CRT presents for believers in America and the bravery that we need and need to consider.

In a nutshell, the purpose of the Clergy Response Team is to:

  1. Undermine the authority of the Bible by misusing the words of the Bible (Romans 13) within the local church

  2. Provide a local representative to do the bidding of the larger government (as well as collect intel on persons of interest inside the church) through the CRT and NOVAD in the local church body.

  3. Provide a conduit (the pastor/church) to channel parishioners into government organized FEMA camps in times of local/national crisis without the heavy hand or heavy expense incurred by the government.

In the Dave Hodges article ‘Pastors To Help DHS in Arrests And Detention Of Americans In FEMA Camps’ dated Feb. 25, 2015 he interviewed Pastor Walt Mansfield…’Mansfield’s revelations about his experiences are stunning and concerning at the same time. Pastor Mansfield attended several briefings and he could barely believe his ears. He learned of the government’s plan to enact martial law as well as to implement forced population relocations. Mansfield emphasized that when martial law is enacted, the enforcement would be immediate. In other words, family members will be separated from each other and part of the training that the clergy received was how to comfort separated family members.’… …’Pastor Mansfield emphasized that the FEMA/DHS drills were predicated on bioterrorism. The pastors were trained to go to homes were people refused to be relocated by the authorities and their immediate job was to convince the reluctant to willingly go to the relocation camps. Ostensibly, this was to be done in lieu of sending in the SWAT teams.’…

Hodges work reveals that the entities involved with the Clergy Response Teams invoke a misappropriation of the meaning of Romans 13 in order to obtain compliance from the people. From Mr. Hodges article ‘Why Your Pastor Is Not Your Friend’:

…’The modern interpretation of Romans 13 is pure blasphemy. This scripture has been morphed into a doctrine espousing the “Divine Right of Kings” in which God has somehow chosen a king to ruthlessly rule over a people and it is incumbent upon the people to accept their “God-given fate”,  The flock are commanded to “…submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established.”  This false interpretation is nothing but a divine coronation of a ruthless, self-serving government and Christians are expected to capitulate and honor the same kind of thievery, lawlessness and murder which inspired Jesus to expel the moneychangers from the Temple.’…

Wouldn’t the acceptance of a ‘Hitler-esque’ interpretation of Romans 13 by the local congregation logically result with a pastorate who could get away with anything at the expense of the parishioners? Romans 13 was Hitlers’ favorite scripture and he misused it mightily. As rightly relayed over at TheoPoetic Musings (‘Hitler And The Nazis’ Use Of Romans 13 Against The Confessing Church’):

…’The Nazi government led by Hitler used Romans 13:1 against the resistance movements in the German church. Nazi leaders argued that since Hitler was duly elected, opposing him was opposing God’s instituted authority. Faithful opposition countered by saying blind allegiance to Hitler was idolatrous and that what he proposed and lived out clearly opposed Scripture: “We must obey God rather than any human authority” (Acts 5:29)…’…

Mr. Hodges further points out that …’The Clergy Response Team falls under the umbrella series of programs known as National Voluntary Organizations Active in Disaster (NOVAD)’… and that …’NOVAD claims to be a faith-based coalition which is structured as a non-governmental organization and operates on a national scale and is supported by tax dollars funneled to DHS.’…

So this organization is used by the government to establish a ‘foothold’ in the Christian church in America. For much more detailed information on the Clergy Response Team please go to and search the vast array of articles.

Now that I have shared a basic understanding of what the Clergy Response Team is let’s turn to my personal experience in having (albeit brief in each case) actual discussions with pastors whom I know.

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While my family visited his church,  and after his sermon-I asked Pastor Number 1 about the Clergy Response Teams-he just looked at me, turned slightly pale, eyes opened as big as saucers and he just went into a catatonic stare that did not seem to end for a small eternity. He then walked out of the sanctuary.

Pastor 1 retired shortly thereafter.

Since our ministry had been doing disability at the church I met with Pastor Number 2. When I mentioned the Clergy Response Team to him his response to me was (after being visibly shocked): ‘Well, we are all responsible to the government’…I would call that a tacet admonition of complicity. This is the same pastor that openly shared the private confidence of a major sports figure that this sports figure divulged to him at an altar call while the sports figures’ wife was with a different pastor at the rail. If that pastor will brag about private secrets of a member of the congregation is it really a stretch to believe that he is also sharing that kind of info with his NOVAD handlers?

Pastor 3 had no answer for my CRT question and quite frankly, would not answer. From what I understand, pastors who have ‘signed on’ to the Clergy Response Team’-cannot- publicly acknowledge their cooperation with the CRT. In the aforementioned ‘Pastors To Help DHS…’ article Pastor Mansfield substantiates this:

…’Pastors are absolutely forbidden to publicly to speak about any aspect of the program. If you were to ask your pastor if they are a FEMA trained pastor, they will not likely tell you.’…

Pastor Number 4, after preaching on the entire book of Revelation in one 30 minute sermon, when asked about the Clergy Response Teams he turned his gaze to the floor and said, “I don’t believe they exist”.

Finally and most ominously and regretfully is Pastor Number 5. An old friend who I hadn’t seen in a number of years. We broke bread at a restaurant close to his church. It was good to catch up. As we were parting ways in the parking lot his wife pulled up to pick him up and I mentioned a big church where they were apparently involved in CRT and I asked him about his involvement and turned away and said ‘No’. He paused for a minute and said to me: ‘Why don’t you take a drive through the church parking lot?’ Now isn’t that an odd response to being asked about the Clergy Response Team? He got in the car with his wife and drove away. I can only imagine that -anyone- who drives through a church parking lot becomes a person of interest in some way as their car and license plate are most likely recorded and perhaps shared with -someone-…

In the ‘Pastors To Help DHS…’ article Dave Hodges opens the article by stating: …

’The fact that FEMA has recruited up to an estimated 28,000 pastors, as a low end estimate, to as many as 100,000 pastors, as a high end estimate, in order to form the clergy response team is very disturbing, not to mention frightening.’…

If you aren’t disturbed by this point, you probably aren’t a believer in Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.

I have shared with you my experiences in asking Pastors, face to face, about the evil organization known as the Clergy Response Team. What went through their head when a ‘lay person’ asked them about this secret framework of church and government? Were they scared that their government overlords would put them on the outs (or worse) for their non-compliance with the secrecy? Were these pastors concerned what the congregation would think of them or worse do to them if they found out? Did any of them think about any of the sermons they may have preached on the book of Esther? In the book of Esther King Xerxes got fed up with his wife, had a beauty contest for a new bride and Esther won. Esther was a Jew and the man who raised her, Mordecai, totally irritated the new number 2 in the kingdom, Haman. Haman hated Mordecai because Mordecai was good, saved the life of the king and would not bow to Haman when he passed by. Haman hated all the Jews and had a plan to kill them on one day. Esther initially was reticent to approach the King but when Mordecai said:

‘For if you remain completely silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place, but you and your father’s house will perish. Yet who knows whether you have come to the kingdom for such a time as this?”(Esther 4:14 NKJV).

In short, Esther called out Haman for the rat that he was and the king hung Haman on the gallows he had set up for Mordecai (Esther 7:10).

So I have said all to say this: ‘Yet who knows whether you have come to the kingdom for such a time as this?’ Are you part of God’s Kingdom? Do you name Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior? It is time for us to be bold and find out if the people who are running the churches are actually named Mordecai or Haman. This is the time that God has placed you in his kingdom and it is for such a time as this. If you ask about the Clergy Response Team face to face with your pastor you may very well get excommunicated. Perhaps you will become a person of interest. Perhaps you will lose all your friends at church. All these things have happened to me and my wife. We are still here. We are here for such a time as this. These are the decisions we made. They were right for us; yours are up to you and there are risks. Are you willing to ask the question of your pastor: Are you a member of the Clergy Response Team?

In closing I want to share the picture that someone from the church who purposely put in the middle of the wall that we would use for a projection screen when we did worship for the disabled:

PHOTO CREDIT: Stanley J. Szymanski

This is a depiction of some type of destroyed forest. The tops of the trees are blown off. In my estimation, this could only be done by a directed energy weapon or a nuke. They -made sure- we would see it (we had to move it to be able to use the wall for worship video/words). I wonder what kind of plans the people who run the churches have in store for the unsuspecting church goers. Is this picture a depiction of what they have planned? Can one change history with a question? Will asking it get your pastor to think about his involvement? You think that you know your pastor’s name. Are you sure? Are you sure it is not Haman? Are you willing to ask the question? Have you come to the kingdom for such a time as this?


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Stan Szymanski is CEO of Encouraging Angels; Disability ministry through music, message and testimony.

Stan Szymanski (or Encouraging Angels) is not a medical doctor. This is not medical advice. In all matters pertaining to the health and care of a human being consult a medical doctor. This is not legal, financial or personal advice. Consult appropriate professionals in those fields for that type of advice.

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